Episode 81

Disciple Up #81
What has Political Involvement Done to the Church?
By Louie Marsh, 11-7-2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berrigan_Brothers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority

The involvement in politics by the church as the church – ie as a group representing Jesus and His Gospel; has done near irreparable damage to both the church and the Gospel.

See this in non-Christians identifying Christians as people who are AGAINST – gays, abortion, porn, etc. We are known by what we are against and not what we are for. This is a disaster for any group or organization.

We are seen as hypocritical moral crusaders and this view has tarred nearly the entire church.

Specifically I believe our involvement has done several bad things to us.

  • Spurred the growth of Moralism – which is the enemy of the Gospel and one of the largest idols in the human heart.
  • Gotten us off course from preaching the Gospel and building the kingdom to trying to be saviors of our culture and country. This is not what the church is called to do and be in the New Testament.
  • Watered down the Gospel by our uniting with other religious groups who distort or deny the Gospel but agree with us on certain moral issues.

Imagine what the hundreds of million of dollars Christians gave to political causes could have done in the Kingdom if we had been wise enough to use them there.

Instead we’ve distorted Jesus and His Gospel and church and all for what?

FAILURE.

 The “Christian Right” has failed.

Example – what were the two big issues when all this started back in 1979 – Prayer in Public Schools and Abortion on demand. Both are still here.

In the meantime the Christian right fought homosexual rights and now we have homosexual marriage via the Supreme Court. Another sterling defeat by the so called Christian movement.

Politics is down stream from culture.

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Episode 75

Disciple Up #75
Life Lessons From Jeremiah Pt 3
Turning From Idols to the Living God
By Louie Marsh, 9-26-2018

Show Intro. – what’s coming up for the next four weeks and Prayer Pilgrimage update.

PART THREE – TURN FROM IDOLS TO THE LIVING GOD.

 Chapters 2-4  – Israel’s history of idolatry

This is ministry to the World

Israel’s history and sin in a nutshellfor my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken me, the fountain of living waters, and hewed out cisterns for themselves, broken cisterns that can hold no water. Jeremiah 2:13 (ESV)

God’s Call to Repentance:

Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, “ ‘Return, faithless Israel, declares the LORD. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the LORD; I will not be angry forever. Only acknowledge your guilt, that you rebelled against the LORD your God and scattered your favors among foreigners under every green tree, and that you have not obeyed my voice, declares the LORD. Return, O faithless children, declares the LORD; for I am your master; I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
“ ‘And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
 Jeremiah 3:12-15 (ESV)

Chapter 5-7:15;  Chapter 26; Chapter 7:16-34

 Empty Form of Godliness

 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD: “Stand in the gate of the LORD’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all you men of Judah who enter these gates to worship the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Amend your ways and your deeds, and I will let you dwell in this place. Do not trust in these deceptive words: ‘This is the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD.’ “For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly execute justice one with another, Jeremiah 7:1-5 (ESV)

“Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, make offerings to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, ‘We are delivered!’—only to go on doing all these abominations? Has this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I myself have seen it, declares the LORD.
Go now to my place that was in Shiloh, where I made my name dwell at first, and see what I did to it because of the evil of my people Israel
. Jeremiah 7:8-12 (ESV)

 This is ministry to the church.

But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 2 Timothy 3:1-7 (ESV)

In the beginning of the reign of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this word came from the LORD: “Thus says the LORD: Stand in the court of the LORD’s house, and speak to all the cities of Judah that come to worship in the house of the LORD all the words that I command you to speak to them; do not hold back a word. It may be they will listen, and every one turn from his evil way, that I may relent of the disaster that I intend to do to them because of their evil deeds. You shall say to them, ‘Thus says the LORD: If you will not listen to me, to walk in my law that I have set before you, and to listen to the words of my servants the prophets whom I send to you urgently, though you have not listened, then I will make this house like Shiloh, and I will make this city a curse for all the nations of the earth.’ ” The priests and the prophets and all the people heard Jeremiah speaking these words in the house of the LORD. And when Jeremiah had finished speaking all that the LORD had commanded him to speak to all the people, then the priests and the prophets and all the people laid hold of him, saying, “You shall die!
Why have you prophesied in the name of the LORD, saying, ‘This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate, without inhabitant’?” And all the people gathered around Jeremiah in the house of the LORD. When the officials of Judah heard these things, they came up from the king’s house to the house of the LORD and took their seat in the entry of the New Gate of the house of the LORD. Then the priests and the prophets said to the officials and to all the people, “This man deserves the sentence of death, because he has prophesied against this city, as you have heard with your own ears.”
 Jeremiah 26:1-11 (ESV)

We must teach ALL of God’s Word, especially the unpopular parts!

We must do this just in case some might hear and repent.

People will react very negatively to this – don’t let that surprise you.

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Episode 74

Watchman Nee & Sit, Walk, Stand., Part 2

By Louie Marsh, 9-19-2018

His Life:

 Today we are finishing up my synopsis of Watchman Nee’s book, Sit, Walk, Stand. Then I’ll talk a bit about some of his other books that I recommend and some I don’t, as well as a look at where we’re going in October!

 Biographies:

Watchman Nee, Suffer for China – https://goo.gl/RcwG8v

Against the Tide, the Story of Watchman Nee – https://goo.gl/uX2v2B

Avoid anything written by Witness Lee – disciple of Watchman Nee who went off the deep end and found the Local Church cult.

Recommended Watchman Nee Books:

Sit, Walk Stand – https://goo.gl/icbDw8

The Normal Christian Life – https://goo.gl/YGMHwZ

What Shall This Man Do? https://goo.gl/cNsBKB

Changed Into His Likeness https://goo.gl/hzkksa

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Episode 73

Disciple Up # 73
Watchman Nee & Sit, Walk, Stand
By Louie Marsh, 9-12-2018

His Life:

Biographies:

Watchman Nee, Suffer for China – https://goo.gl/RcwG8v

Against the Tide, the Story of Watchman Nee – https://goo.gl/uX2v2B

Avoid anything written by Witness Lee – disciple of Watchman Nee who went off the deep end and found the Local Church cult.

Recommended Watchman Nee Books:

Sit, Walk Stand – https://goo.gl/icbDw8

The Normal Christian Life – https://goo.gl/YGMHwZ

What Shall This Man Do? https://goo.gl/cNsBKB

Changed Into His Likeness https://goo.gl/hzkksa

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Episode 72

Disciple Up # 72
The Fruit of the Spirit -Gentleness
By Louie Marsh, 9-5-2018

Intro:   Give-a-way done – Chuck and Lynne Clements are the winners – congratulations.

Next week – Lord willing – a new kind of show. Watchman Nee – a brief history of his life and ministry and then we’ll be going through one of his books, Sit, Walk. Stand. I’ll also recommend a few other of his books and probably warn you off a few as well.

 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23 (ESV)

1) I need to LEARN what gentleness really is.

 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23 (ESV)

  • The Holy Spirit GROWS it in my life

Used of horses that had been tamed.

Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:29 (ESV)

Jesus said he was gentle

 There is no gentleness without HUMILITY.

 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5 (ESV)

Gentleness flows out of a humble heart – so Paul got two words in one here – also you can’t have gentleness without self-control.

“Meekness is essentially a true view of oneself, expressing itself in attitude and conduct with respect to others…The man who is truly meek is the one who is truly amazed that God and man can think of him as well as they do and treat him as well as they do.” – Dr. Lloyd-Jones

Born: December 20, 1899, Cardiff, United Kingdom  Died: March 1, 1981

Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/topics/gentleness

Nothing is so strong as gentleness, nothing so gentle as real strength. Saint Francis de Sales

Only the weak are cruel. Gentleness can only be expected from the strong. Leo Buscaglia

Of course, when I say that human nature is gentleness, it is not 100 percent so. Every human being has that nature, but there are many people acting against their nature, being false. Dalai Lama

Good directors can bring certain things out of you, with their intensity or gentleness or sensitivity or understanding. They can make an actor feel he can do no wrong. Robert De Niro

If zeal had been appropriate for putting humanity right, why did God the Word clothe himself in the body, using gentleness and humility in order to bring the world back to his Father? Isaac of Nineveh

Isaac of Nineveh also remembered as Saint Isaac the Syrian, Abba Isaac, Isaac Syrus and Isaac of Qatar was a 7th-century Church of the East Syriac Christian bishop and theologian best remembered for his written works on Christian asceticism

2) I can be gentle because of the AUTHORITY given me by Jesus.

 “Say to the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’” Matthew 21:5 (ESV)

 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Matthew 28:18-20 (ESV)

3) I can be gentle because of Jesus example of being a SERVANT.

  Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come from God and was going back to God, rose from supper. He laid aside his outer garments, and taking a towel, tied it around his waist. Then he poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples’ feet and to wipe them with the towel that was wrapped around him. John 13:3-5 (ESV)

 4) I can be gentle because of the GRACE of Jesus.

 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Hebrews 4:14-16 (ESV)

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